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posted by Esher, in June 2009

Random Toy Piece a not accepted photo

Streetfiles is an ongoing open experiment. It is free and open for everybody. Streetfiles is like the streets, everyone can do stuff here, but only the good will make it to the top pages.

But let's face it: A lot of crap gets uploaded. Take a look at the most recent uploads. YES, we have the powerful filters and YES Streetfiles is social and YES we love toys. We all started as toys and we really know that "every piece tells a story". BUT: quite often two or more criterias come together:

  • Poor JPG quality: the photo was produced by some (1mp) mobile phone cam and is full of artefacts;
  • Bad photo quality: back light conditions, no contrast, all grey in grey, i.e.;
  • No photo composition: no nice perspective, no nice area, no nice surroundings or surfaces (such as hot girls);
  • Boring letters: just another uninteresting style;
  • No statement: no talent, no idea, nothing to say, not special at all;
  • No metatags: Streetfiles is database driven, if you title your photos something like this "*" and don't tell us where and what it is, it will never be found. The searchbar is an important navigation here.

No one takes care of all these uninterersting photos, not even the members friends. We have about 12.000 photos here that got viewed only one or two times. We have no meaningful purpose for all the uninteresting photos (beside a field investigation or a huge mosaic photo wallpaper). They cost us webspace.

We (streetfiles admins) discussed that topic and came to the conclusion: We will decline more photos in the future and also will delete some old photos. We hope you understand this. Feel free to leave your opinion in a comment here.

Please mind that we will never discuss with you why some photo was not accepted. Read the Community Guidelines and FAQs one more time.

UPDATE: Here is how we like the Photos

  • Nice Perpectives: cool angles, a great mix of graff and surrounding background;
  • Fresh Styles: we don't care if it is Anti, Retro, Wild or Block, as long it is fresh;
  • Long Descriptions: tell us the story behind that shot, also give us Metatags;
  • All kind of Innovations: new and interesting stuff as long as it is related, we like city views, street art, yard shots, tags ...;
  • High Quality: maximum filesize, best jpg-quality, adjusted levels.

BTW: It is technical not possible anymore to upload a photo that was already declined before.

65 comments

PureBoy.UNO

PureBoy.UNO says in June 2009:

i think that everybody will accept this...well, you say that nobody looks at this photos, and i m think thats true. nobody looks at shit-quality photos. we want all just huge and quality photos:)

streetfiller

streetfiller says in June 2009:

How do you remember decline photos?
Checksum or what?

Hausburger

Hausburger says in June 2009:

jepp, checksum / md5_hash
so ... now the nerds know got a hint to move around :-)

Route

Route says in June 2009:

i think you must decline much more photos because it is a lot of trash at the site..sorry..and i think that sometimes bad quality photo can make picture even more good looking and stylish..own opinion

in June 2009:

¡censorship is no good!
its ok to put guidelines in qual of pics, but style?! very strange...
why not make up an extra forum 4 declined pix and let the users decide...

i am sure somebody can make a picture antistyling all guidelines and still get a 100clix

webspace is the main problem....i understand that

stillrunning

stillrunning says in June 2009:

I just have a question about your censorship. i got dissed because my sketch was uninteresting - nothing to say... but I just wanted to share it with my friends and keep it private. What's the deal on private pictures? Should they also be censored or is it a bandwidth issue?

Caramk

Caramk says in June 2009:

Yes and no.

Quality is a great thing and I am a fan of it, but on the other hand I see Streetfiles as a documentation of Streetart that goes down in many cities. Which means one has to take the good with the bad.

If it is a bandwidth/webspace issue I have a suggestion: keep the current system of acceptance in place, but put a cap on the amount of pictures that can be uploaded in a certain period of time. That way, people will hopefully think twice before uploading. There is something to be said for self- censorship.

DROLthatSHIT

DROLthatSHIT says in June 2009:

a big YES for censorship...when I look at the fotolog accounts it makes me sick how are some individuals self-certain of their pieces which have no quality at all..I don´t want this to happen to that webpage which I think is the best of this kind...

keep up!

raf

raf says in June 2009:

comitê de notáveis

Z22

Z22 says in June 2009:

How sad!
I thought streetfiles is going to be a great archive.
This censorshipidea really sucks!
How can you know which toypiece will be interesting in future times because it is maybe the first pic of a to-be king?
Streetfiles would be a wonderful place to search for this forgotten and never photographed piece.

Isn't the gesture of taking a picture (even or maybe especially with the worst camera) a gesture of interest in the thing one photographs?
How can you than later decide that it is not interesting?

The way a picture is taken tells something about its author.
Streetfiles is therefore also a place to see how different people examine graffiti.
Can something examined wrongly or from a no nice perspective?

Don't cut streetfiles down to one more of the boring graffiti websites!
Let it stay this great archive!

sureshuntrail

sureshuntrail says in June 2009:

but, Z22, it supposed to be on some level... the guidelines are set to, imho, to good level... i dont know, but a lot of suckers are on the net, try to impress with their nonsense shit... this project is on good way to be good project, and show me some examples and maybe i should agree with you ))

Esher

Esher says in June 2009:

thanks for all the feedback. we take everything you say very serious. and this topic will remain discussed. as long as we don't see any really avail for all the toypics we will continue our poltics on declining more photos than before. please also mind the webspace.

all our admins are advanced graffiti writers each one has his way on accepting and declining photos. this way it is assured that we always will have a nice mix.

Stoneageman

Stoneageman says in June 2009:

Keep up the good work guys, I really like your website but want to contribute to this discussion.
Some pictures are bounced because of style. But remind that is very personal!
I don't like another 1 of 1000 same wholecar silverbullets, but that's what other people like in the graff game.....
Real interesting new styles don't get a platform, while 2009 pieces get stolen a lot of times with as result another thousand uninteresting 2009 pieces!!
So my question is: Do you want a good actual mix of dedicated graffiti writers of do you want to create a database without a good reflection of European graffiti?

flickser

flickser says in June 2009:

thank you for your decision.

please dont let streetfiles go down the drain because of all those toys uploading each single one of their badly bitten pieces. lets enjoy the real gems rather. streetfiles is great exactly because there is a certain sense of quality.

i have sympathy with every beginner but guys, please stop posting your stuff to every internet site of the world fishing for compliments and pseudo-fame.

i feel different about people uploading pieces by other people.

casanova

casanova says in June 2009:

@ stoneageman: WORD!

casanova

casanova says in June 2009:

here are two examples for not accept photos in the course of this week ...

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4252/20060125mai20011.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6707/20060105mai60052.jpg

i´m irritated about this, can´t understand it

flickser

flickser says in June 2009:

you dont understand why they didnt get accepted or how people can try to upload such photos?

Esher

Esher says in June 2009:

maybe we do extra website, something like: www.delcined-streetfiles-photos.net ?

casanova

casanova says in June 2009:

@ flickser: i dont understand why they didnt get accepted

stillrunning

stillrunning says in June 2009:

@casanova: :)

kunstbanause

kunstbanause says in June 2009:

i can fully understand this.
some of my pics where declined, it was o.k.
thinking about a future in 10 years, whith a growthrate like the last months, it will be a mess otherwise.
concretely:
1. there are many websites specialised in crappy pictures of crappy styles on crappy girls, more or less naked. maybee we can abdicate this pictures before they take over.
2. i personally wouldnt miss all those standard blockbuster chromies that made berlin so ugly the last 15 years.
i dont think blocking some pictures will reduce the widespreaded covering of that phenomena we use to love.
i even think it will become more clear then.
and yeah, I´m not interested in some big-time-hyped-heroes reproducing the same thing over and over and over, and because of that im also not interested in some long-missed-now-found-pictures of their early works.
we all know how beginning looks and feels like.
word
;)

splishsplash

splishsplash says in June 2009:

You've got my support :D

Hubert152

Hubert152 says in June 2009:

maximum filesize means uploaded photos won't be resized again? if someone wants to share maximum quality... like 12 in ps cs3.

paff one

paff one says in June 2009:

why was the "police" piece by casanova deletet i think he did what he could to create a great piece of art!!!!


seriously this kind of toystuff is cool to see here are some examples:
http://streetfiles.org/paff-one/photosets/330

paff one

paff one says in June 2009:

but dtill i think its good to delete some shitty stuff for sure !!!
there will still be a good mix.

Esher

Esher says in June 2009:

@hubert152:
maximum means up to 6mb (at the moment) but only JPGs. read this: http://streetfiles.org/blog/post/132

Route

Route says in June 2009:

still too much shit man..

kaotic

kaotic says in June 2009:

" it`s uninteresting
Sorry, but we simply don`t like it.
Please do not upload this photo again and do not reply on this message.
We are sorry, but we can not accept this photo - full stop!
Streetfiles Staff "

Ok, nos despedimos facho!

Route

Route says in June 2009:

man, just look. and i need to watch all this garbage when i am checking new photos from my country
http://streetfiles.org/photos/detail/168645/
http://streetfiles.org/photos/detail/168816/

Route

Route says in June 2009:

and one more thing..i have t2b's and wholecars on freight trains in my profile, i think you should make FREIGHT TRAIN as a full type of photos, i mean like this.. type-freight train- panel piece.. freight trains is the separated culture which is growing up fast

Hausburger

Hausburger says in June 2009:

you can use: Something Else - Freight Train

Route

Route says in June 2009:

how about wholecars, t2b's, and tags on freights?

Hausburger

Hausburger says in June 2009:

please use tags/keywords ...
otherwise we would end up with a list of 100 categories

Spränkler

Spränkler says in June 2009:

im not convinced of this censorship thing too...
it has turned to a russian roulette like game...
trust users...

i would prefer a maximum upload feature for every month, as someone said before...

so it´s not like some admins have the feeling to be god like...
taste is always different, but if you put in censors, you channel taste and destroy individuality...

if you don´t like the pictures, upload them and rate them with your hate it feature...

take it serious folks...

graffiti is for individualists that go nuts on the streets, dont be so naive and shape individualists with censorship...

thats not the truth from the streets..

remember, its streetfiles, it should be taken from the streets to this files, not from the taste of one admin...

cheers..

eson34

eson34 says in July 2009:

for good quality photos we need Proffesional Dijital SLR Cameras look like thet .ßut he is so expensive and so kind fo damage.
And some people havent a lot of money.Thet it.
Keep on

casanova

casanova says in July 2009:

by now, i´m very fucked up about the streetfiles admins "To less relation to graffiti or street art". do you really mean that? in the meantime it is not more funny here.

here the censored pictuers, greetings from zensursula
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6678/20060116juni10002.jpg
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9775/20060116juni10001.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8831/20060116juni10003.jpg
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3579/20060116juni10004.jpg

casanova

casanova says in July 2009:

i've enough and to spare, maybe i delete my profil and create one at flickr

berlinpiraten

berlinpiraten says in July 2009:

i quote the "about streetfiles"-article:
"Its aim is to document the movement of street art, graffiti and art in public space with the help of its users."
...and now?

im not convinced of this censorship thing too...

by the way: style is subjective...

Esher

Esher says in July 2009:

thanks for the feedback again: espailly the last ones: casanova, berlinpiraten and spränkler. i truly understand you. i really see both sides. this topic will remain discussed here.

here are (again) a few arguments PRO "decline uninteresting photos":

* we are not google. we have to pay for space and traffic.

* we mainly want to: attract the people that we like, bring the cool stuff forward, assist the talents.


look at myspace: there is place for everyone. there is sooooo much crap. i want to surf streetfiles and want to be amused.

casanova

casanova says in July 2009:

sorry i don´t now the right english words. maybe someone can translate...

@ esher:
ich will gar nicht weiter nerven, alles wurde ja bereits mehrmal gesagt. deshalb wird das auch mein letzter beitrag zu diesen thema. ich wiederhole mich denoch nochmal, euere gründe und die konsequenzen die ihr daraus zieht kann ich vollkommen verstehen. super finde ich auch das ihr die kriterien nach denen moderiert wird im blog transparent macht. auf dem planeten streetfiles gehen anspruch und wirklichkeit gehen meiner meinung nach momentan jedoch etwas auseinander.

ihr sagt wir wollen keine schlechte fotoqualität, keine langweilligen bilder, keine bilder ohne metatags,... . dann steht da ihr freut euch über hohe bildqualität, schöne perspektiven, inovation, freshe styles und ausgefallene ideen. wo also ist das problem bei den vier (anti)npd plakaten? ich wills ja einfach nur verstehen. was ist der grund dafür das sie hier nicht online gehen?

Hausburger

Hausburger says in July 2009:

Neben den scheinbar harten Kriterien gibt es schon einen subjektiven faktor - d.h. die regeln werden immer ein bischen unterschiedlich ausgelegt. Ich hätte die Anti-NPD plakate freigeschaltet - ein Anderer war anderer Meinung.

O*rly

O*rly says in July 2009:

wieso sagt man dann nicht gleich das die seite nach persönlichen geschmacksempfinden moderiert wird? das ist doch vollkommen in ordnung, schließlich bereibt ihr ja auch den ganzen aufwand, opfert unmengen an zeit, geld und herzblut. nur dann sollte man es auch so an die user kommunizieren. was jetzt zB der grund fürs nichtfreischalten der anti-npd bilder war bleibt ja anscheinend sowieso für immer ein geheimnis....

just

just says in July 2009:

war doch klar das modereiert wird... http://streetfiles.org/blog/post/140

Esher

Esher says in July 2009:

in english please.

@casanova: i like the NPD posters a lot. i would have reated them even a high.


we will make an admin workshop again to develop some more guidelines for us.

number one reason for declining photos (90% in my case): the photo is bullshit. i really don't care about the graffiti too much. but what can i say when: the picture is taken against the light, unsharp, with a bad mobile phone camera, uploaded in lowest jpg quality, the graffit itself is somewhere far away, the surrounding area is really uninteresting? i decline it. and i really hope that the uploader will learn: i need to take care to take good photos to be shown on streetfiles.

we want to open eyes, help people to develop skills. a lot about graffiti is taking photos. we have very good examples here, take a look at photos from streetbrother, neo knight, movel, battleship for example.

we have had an interesting conversation about this topic with rüdi from montana (a photographer himself). his opinon is that a lot of writers should learn how to take good photos. he would like to support that.

Bond

Bond says in July 2009:

senf

eson34

eson34 says in July 2009:

*Atention for streetfiles admins*This week i upload ma fresh wokr.ßut but i didn't see them in my album,i try upload again and them ''automaticly'' say'd ''this photo is uploading''.Picture have normal pixels and kbs.
Admins look it there please.

RiverCola

RiverCola says in July 2009:

Sry for my Bad english

I think its ok in the past i upload much Bad pictures

but now my first pic goes online .. thx Streetfiles i learn How to make Good(Quality jpg and so one) pictures

spion75

spion75 says in July 2009:

Der Unverstand ist die unbesiegbarste Macht auf Erden.

in August 2009:

ES IST EINE HAUSHOHE FRECHHEIT, DASS NUR WEIL JEMAND PHOTOS "AUSWÄHLT", DERJENIGE SICH DANN EIN URTEIL MEINT ERLAUBEN ZU KÖNNEN OB DAS BILD INTERESSANT IST, ODER OB DIE QUALITÄT STIMMT! WENN HIER MIESE PHOTOS VON 1986 AUFTAUCHEN, DANN KOMMEN DIE ONLINE. EGAL WELCHE QUALITÄT. UND WENNS DANN AUCH NOCH EIN CHINTZ WAR, DANN ERST RECHT.
Fuck it, was soll das?
Chintz in allen Ehren, aber so kanns nicht laufen?!
Bitte um Antwort!!!!

in August 2009:

Ja, klasse, vielen Dank auch. Kann sich netterweise nach gefühlten 200 Stunden sich jetzt jemand von Euch aufraffen um meinen Account zu löschen? Private Nachrichten bleiben unbeantwortet, dahingehend. Mir ist es aufgrund von Server Fehlern vergönnt das selsbt in die Pfote zu nehmen.
Löscht bitte meinen Account!!

Esher

Esher says in August 2009:

hi waldi,
sorry, deleting your important photos could have been me. i checked a lot of photos the last days. i also wrote here about it: http://streetfiles.org/page/guidelines/#faq , that we do make mistakes, we are humans. i am sorry for that. i know that it makes a lot of work to upload photos. i can imagine that it is really frustrating to see that some photo was declined. believe me: declining photos is not easy, it's really hard to draw a line which photos take, which photos not to take. for sure is: that we can't accept all photos by now, beacuse increasing server costs for webspace would kill us. right now the servers costs us more than we get from the ad banners. and to be honest: i don't want that crappy photos here. i decline more and more photos. take the one on the very top of the post for example. there are tons of photos where one was to lazy to: go a bit closer to the piece, try a cool angle, try not to shake this time. believe me: in 99,9% i will not judge the graffiti itself. it's all about the quality of the photo. and when it comes to cool important oldschool stuff: i try to make an exception. take the photos of phers (http://streetfiles.org/pherz/photos) for instance: really cool stuff indeed, but the quality is shit. i think he just took digital photos of some old black books. i know it makes a lot of work to scan all those photos. but i think these photos are worth some afford.

for me the photo of the graffiti is important as the graffiti itself.

again to waldi: in your case: it was a mistake, assumably mine, i am sorry for that. i know that you where one of our first members. and i really liked your stuff.

in August 2009:

yeah, ok verstehe.
hmpf.
wären ausreichend mittel für serverkosten vorhanden, könnte man das doch großzügiger sehen oder ?
danke für die antwort.

in August 2009:

nagut...
das wird ne arbeit die photos nochmal hochzuladen...
naja, ich hab ja sonst nichts zutun.

Waldi

Waldi says in August 2009:

Ich möchte gern nochmals auf das Thema kommen.
Wird bei der Bildauswahl (Löschung ja oder nein) mitbedacht wer das Bild gemalt hat?
Beispiel:
Ich lade ein nicht so schickes Piece hoch (gutes Photoqualität) und das wird abgelehnt, Begründung uninteressant.
Leute die schon 20 Jahre dabei sind, grafftechnisch, Laden ebenfalls ein frühes Piece von sich hoch. Das wird genehmigt.
Kommentare möglicherweise: "Cool, Danke fürs teilen Deiner alten Teile, krass wie sich Dein Style entwickelt hat", etc...
Hat dann der Photouploader No. 2 eher eine Berechtigung sein Photo online zu haben?
Wenn ja, dann weil er lange malt und es noch immer tut oder wieder angefangen hat und damals viele Fans hatte?
Was ist wenn der Photouploader No. 1 nun in 20 Jahren viel "krasser" ist und auch Fans hat und geile Teile malt, etc. ?
Ist dann das nicht genehmigte Piece interessanter?
Wie darf ich Eure Auswahlkriterein verstehen was alte Bilder angeht?
Ich freue mich über eine Antwort!
Waldi

Esher

Esher says in August 2009:

@waldi:
ich lad dich zum nächsten vereinstreffen ein. wir haben viele ideen da einiges zu ändern. leider wirds noch dauern, bis das umgesetzt wird, erstmal einen sponsor finden um unser überleben zu sichern.

wir sind wie gesagt ca. 10 admins, bei tests haben wir gemerkt, dass wir ganz unterschiedlich bewerten, so wäre meine aussage auf dein feedback nur ein zehntel richtig :) dass is echt nervig photos freizuschalten, ich lehne derzeit ca. 50% ab, es geht wie gesagt um serverkosten und qualitätwahrung. bei z.zt. fast 1000 fotos täglich guckt man nicht mehr so hin. du willst jedes foto in 3 sekunden bewertet haben. ja, wir machen fehler. ich achte auf die profile, die bekannten profile werden durchgewunken, bei unbekannten wird kritischer geguckt.

Waldi

Waldi says in August 2009:

Hallöchen und guten Abend!
Danke für die Antwort!
Der Einladung komme ich gern nach.
1000 Photos täglich ist ganz schön urig, verstehe. Man hat als aussenstehender nicht so den Einblick in das SF-Innenleben. Eigentlich überhaupt keinen. :)
Mhm, versteh das mit den Profilen, so hatte ich mir das auch gedacht.
Bei dem Projekt ist es ein Teufelskreis...
Je mehr Leute losgehen und schöne Sachen knipsen, desto mehr Photos, mehr Kosten, aber auch mehr Leute die losgehen und knipsen...
Danke für die klärende Antwort!
Waldi

keos21.de.vu

keos21.de.vu says in January 2010:

wow so the admins know what is fresh and what is not?? so as long as my fotos does not be accepted I'm a toy? wow it's like in the old days. ...

AREA_51_TMK_SWK

AREA_51_TMK_SWK says in February 2010:

okay...but my foto was from a very good sprayer... and the foto is good...not the best okay but good...

Esher

Esher says in February 2010:

@keos21.de.vu
yes we do;) and we run out of disk space. and we can not afford every photo.

acab

acab says in March 2010:

also das bild is doch nciht zu schlechte qualität...da gibts hier viel verwackeltere bilder..was soll der mist...http://streetfiles.org/photos/detail/408052/ ...zu manchen stellen kommt man auch nciht tags nochmal hin um bessere bilder zu machen!?

in March 2010:

ganz schön lächerlich das bilder nicht angenommen werden die meiner meinung nach sehr gut sind,aber andere wo man genitalien sehen kann,der grösste scheiss von irgenwelchen schmiererein und obertoys aber schon..wiedersprüchlich dem gegenüber was in eurer mail warum die bilder nicht angenommen werden steht..
mfg

TuneSDB

TuneSDB says in March 2010:

Ich finds recht heikel, seitens der Admin über guten oder schlechten Style zu entscheiden. Erstens ist das eine subjektive Filterweise und zweitens muss man, wenn man sich hier so einige Profile anguckt, leider von reiner Willkür ausgehen. Ich hab keine PM erhalten, betreff meiner zwei nicht angenommenen Fotos, aber ich kanns auch nicht verstehen, nach welchen maßstäblichen Vorgaben hier entschieden wurde. Es gibt genug Beispiele für wesentlich schlechtere Fotos auf streetfiles. Meiner Meinung nach sollten hier objektive Kriterien die Ausschlag gebenden sein...

raberich

raberich says in May 2010:

im also against this censorship !
because even a bad picture (in your team-opinion)
can be interesting for houndrets or thousands of people.
your team is not representative ! no team can be respresentative
for this incredible big and various graffiti scene.

censorship will destroy the great idea of streetfiles.

to think about a solution:
ratings from members, only members can be representative,
because members are these people
who keep this streetfiles-society alive !

yours sincerely
raberich

Wase 95

Wase 95 says in June 2010:

ich versteh euch voll und ganz!! speicherplatz is teuer und scheiss qualität nervt auch (auch stylemässig)
was ich nich versteh: ich hab ngestern einen haufen fotos hochgeladen und kein einziges kam durch! die fotos waren von der qualität her weder verwackelt, noch unscharf etc und es war nich allzu schlecht. da gibt es hier viel schlechteres......muss wohl ein fehler gewesen sein...........

UserOne

UserOne says 1 week ago:

Also ich verstehe euch auch...aber ich hab grad 2bilder hochgeladen...beide mit meiner digital camera gemacht... beide an legalen spots(heißt es sieht nicht soooo schlecht drum herum aus)....beide meiner Meinung nach nicht Toy like.Desweiteren wundert es mich, da ich eines der beiden Bilder zusammen mit einem Freund gemalt habe und er das komplette konzept hochgeladen hat, das mein bild abgelehnt wurde......ich bitte euch diese bilder nochmal genauer anzusehen und mir zu sagen was ich falsch mache.....mfg USERONE

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